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Limitations of the Finnish educational system

Thursday 20 May 2010, by Rémi Castérès

For French teachers who believe that knowledge flows from the pulpit down to the empty heads of our children, the Finnish system is an aberration, and its success unintelligible. For others and for enlightened parents, this would be an educational paradise.

More than 20 French articles offer a detailed presentation of the Finnish system on this website. They reveal both the amazement and the enthusiasm felt by their authors when they discovered the Finnish schools.

However, there are problems that have to be tackled and understood too. First, they appeared to me as being anecdotal and disparate:
- I met young students who didn’t like school. I ask them some questions, sometimes insistently, about their reasons. The most elaborate answer I got was: “Cos’ it sucks!” When I asked them what they liked at school, they just answered: “Nothin’!”
- In each high school class, I met a boy whose identity was to be a heckler. He makes phone calls, makes wisecracks, grunts… Some students giggle, others ignore him. The heckler is never aggressive towards the teacher who treats him leniently. This is so systematic that in my opinion, if he were to be excluded, another heckler would immediately assume the role.
- The students’ attention decreases as children grow older. This could be interpreted as a consequence of puberty, but this is so linear that this explaination seems insufficient to me.
- An American aesthetic teacher was startled by his students’ behavior when he gave them a lecture at the university of Helsinki. His training course is designed to educate people who will work in art galleries, or in the aesthetic management of open spaces. After a few classes, a female student spoke to him in those terms: “You seem to take for granted that we read the art magazines you pointed to us. But personally, I read none of them.” The dumbstruck teacher then asked his students who had read, first several, then at least one of the magazines he pointed to them: 3 out of 30. Only 5 of them had visited a museum in the course of the year. “Why are you taking this master class?” asked the teacher.
– You know, in Finland, almost everybody goes to college.

A female student had asked to meet him after the first class: “I wanted to explain why I wouldn’t come back, she said. That has nothing to do with you, but you want us to participate in class and to express our opinion. That’s too hard for me.”

How to explain those problems? I won’t consider them as mere oddities. I think they prove a weakness of the Finnish educational system.

Students are helped from their earliest years by numerous and benevolent adults. They heartyly bond with their teachers. The problem is that there are strong relationships between each student and one or several adults, but there is no group relationship between the students of a class. Eacch student can work with one or two others; this can also be the norm, as in technology. But I have never seen the thinking of one student being confronted with that of his peers.

This is almost always a head-on teaching technique. Students are encouraged to express what they know (and if they’re wrong, it never matters), but they’re never called upon what they think.

This warm accompaniment suits well to the psychology of younger children. But it is unsufficient later to answer the needs of teenagers who have to assert themselves, and who no longer want to be held their hands.

In my opinion, the Finnish educational system lacks periods in the class during which children and teenagers can express their thoughts and listen to the thoughts of others. These periods are well-known in France by the teachers who follow the Freinet method: group works, Talk time, show-and-tells, reports of activity, philosophy workshops, Co-operative council, knowledge markets

They could easily be introduced to the Finnish system as it is right now:
- because the teachers’ educational position agrees with it,
- because the Fins debate the lengthening of the school day, considered too short,
- because the two massacres in schools call out to the necessity to develop children’s self-expression and communication among the actors of the educational system.

However, I don’t think this will be done right now. I questioned the State Secretary of Education during a press conference in Paris: “I deeply admire your educational system, but I’d like to know your opinion on what seems to be a limit to me. Children are taught to express what they know, but not what they think. Consequently, some students cannot express their opinions and their personal reflexions.” Mrs Heljä Misukka answered that it was actually the contrary, that the relationships between the teachers and their students were completely warm-hearted and often affectionate, and that I should see it in Finnish classes with my own eyes.

This could have been a ponctual misunderstanding. I stated at length my reflexions to the Finnish embassador and to some people working for the embassy. Their reaction made me think that they do not accept the problems, and that they consider group discussions as a rat race. “We, the Fins, are shy people and only speak each one in its turn. We are individualist people who don’t like huge groups.”

The fact that, in order to fight against school harassment, the Fins developed an informatic programme to acknowledge the problem instead of organising a debate among them, is also symptomatic.

Finally, the Finnish educational system is really great, but it is no educational paradise, and it probably won’t become one before a long time.

Thanks to all the Freelang translators

5 Forum messages

  • Limitations of the Finnish educational system 24 May 2010, by A preschool teacher from Finland

    Thanks for your critical article about the Finnish education. I can very much agree with your opinions. You crystallized to the point by writing that we developed a computer program to make children aware of this problem, rather than holding a debate.

    You also wrote that there are no collective relationships between children of a class. I know teachers who have worked a lot towards this kind of education. But it isn´t easy because of our long history of frontal teaching.

    At the preschool and kindergarten where I work, the collective relationships are at their best in playing. When children play, they discuss matters, they argue or debate, make compromises and many kinds of feelings cruise between them. I´d say that they really can debate at this age. And then it´s all up to us teachers, if we understand how to take this children´s natural way of being in our pedagogical aims. It´s much more difficult than the traditional frontal teaching.

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  • Limitations of the Finnish educational system 26 May 2010, by Pekka Keinänen

    I read your article with interest. You had there some good and interesting points. Especially that in Finnish schools pupils are not encouraged to express what they think, only what they know. I’m afraid that this is not typical only for Finnish schools, but the same happens in many other countries as well. And even here there are some exceptions.

    You wrote in your article that you don’t expect a rapid change. Sometimes the change can happen also quickly, not in the whole educational system, but in a school. We got a new principal last autumn and already by now she has managed to get many changes to happen. To good or bad is hard to say yet, it is also of course a matter of taste. You should come again to Finland and see yourself.

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  • Limitations of the Finnish educational system 30 May 2010, by Jaana Erkkilä

    Real-World Readings from the Pisa Wonderland

    I read the article by Rémi Castérès with pleasure and horror. Pleasure came from the fact that somebody has acknowledged similar problems in our educational system than I have done. The horror came from the realization that I have not been mistaken or overreacting.

    As a mother of three sons, who have never been too much in favor of authoritarian and oppressive relationships between people, I have first hand experience, how our school system kills enthusiasm for inquiring and questioning the ways world functions. I have brought up my children to question and discuss and think critically, to argue and express their opinions. The youngest of the three, when he was attending the second class in primary school in age of 8, came one day late from school and looked very sad. He had had to stay at school after the lessons and write 50 times in his pad “I will never more ask why”. When I called the school and asked for explanation, the answer was that he was disturbing the teacher with his constant questioning.

    This spring the same lad is 13 and I have been to school again discussing about his attitude problems. The head teacher said quite in the beginning of the discussion that one can see that the boy is used to discuss with adults. I thought that it was something positive, but from the teachers point of view it is not: a child who is used to discuss, can make provocative remarks, ask hard questions, show his/her disrespect in an unpleasant way: arguing and fighting with words.

    Of course an adolescent is arrogant and makes mistakes and has not the capacity to consider in all situations, when it really would be wiser and smarter to be silent. But if you have never an opportunity to exercise argumentation, how can you learn it all by sudden in university, or in other real life situations? Finnish way of argumentation is still too often physical violence, especially after some drinks and perhaps a few years inward silent crumbling over something.

    All the three boys like literature and reading. They are reading world classics and contemporary literature, history, biographies etc. All of them have had low grades in literature in school reports. The oldest one wrote an essay about professional contract killers in age of 16, when they had to write about a possible future career. The text itself was rather amusing and I as a mother did never think that he would seriously choose to be a killer. The teacher did not evaluate the essay; her only message on the paper was that the choice of the subject is not proper according the moral and educational aims of the school. In Finnish schools for a good grade in literature you have to read certain books or do the tasks that your teacher tells; nobody is interested in if you really read a lot and what do you think about the world picture you get through books. The purpose of literature teaching in school is not to fall in love with reading or getting new insights of life, but to pass your course. Whether you read a single book after your school time nobody is worried about, as long as you follow the orders of your teacher in school.

    As a member of Finnish Teachers’ trade union OAJ, I read regularly the weekly magazine Opettaja (teacher). There is an ongoing discussion about lousy parents and disturbed children; never about bad school system or irrelevant teaching methods or even worse, lousy teachers. Logically thinking I must be one of those lousy parents, because all my three sons have had problems in school. This winter the youngest one was sent out from the class room during the music lesson, because he was disturbing. I was really questioning him, what had been going on, because he is very fond of music. He has been studying in conservatorium cello and piano and passing his exams and doing music theory, singing in choir. And now being a problem even in music class in school. His answer was that it is so boring that somebody just has to organize some entertainment. The same boy has been attending classical concerts from pre-school age and has never had problems in sitting still and quiet. So he cannot have a problem in concentrating silently on something he finds interesting. So, perhaps the problem is that I as a lousy mother have been taking my children to concerts, have been introducing them literature, taking them to museums and exhibitions, theater, forest walks, introducing them to different religions, making them to participate weekly Sunday lunch with the grandparents, inviting various people to our home and showing by example that you can make friends with people from different nations and ethnic backgrounds. And worst of all encouraging them to question the world.

    I am working as a director of research and development in university of applied sciences, in the department of visual culture. The teachers in our department are struggling with the problems of having students, who do not go to museums, art exhibitions, who have serious problems with reading theoretical texts, having no sense of history ( as an example believing that Andy Warhol made his images on Marilyn Monroe in year 1907), being helpless in essay writing. And all those students are products of the Finnish educational system, they are coming from gymnasium with their white caps and good reports in their pockets. And most of them are totally without any knowledge in humanities or arts in general; and they are not especially interested in learning new things or doing something that is not absolutely required for the exam.

    Our society and the school system as a part of the society is a controlling organ. Children learn from an early age that you get rewarded, when you participate something that is organized by authorities. Last winter there was published a PhD study on school sport lessons. There had come out a result that as a pupil you can say that you have sport as a hobby, if you participate some adult lead and organized activities. And that participation helps you to get better grades in school sports. If you do sports outside set systems, you cannot say that you are doing something. Football or basketball playing just with friends is not sports activities. Swimming or playing tennis outside set systems is not sports activities. It is just chilling out.

    Back to the family school cases again. My sons have many immigrants as friends. The youngest one is playing basketball every evening with some Sudanese boys in the school yard. Last week he was telling me with a laugh that if you go bowling in a set times with these refugee children, you get some hours free from school, because you are doing a good service. But if you play with them daily and just because you have mutual interest in basket ball, you don’t get any extra points or free hours from the school. You are just chilling out, because there are no adults leading the activity.

    Summa summarum: the Finnish educational system is excellent in educating obedient citizens with little interest in anything, studying for grades, not for knowledge or life, learning that social relationships are for earning something, not for having friends and learning from one another, labeling independent thinking as a behavioral disturbance, oppressing and humiliating the children who really have problems either in learning or because of difficult life situations or ethnic background.

    Jaana Erkkilä, Director of Research and Development, Novia University of Applied Sciences, Mother of three still questioning sons.

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  • Jo joutui armas aika… 25 June 2010, by Tuija

    This week is the last week of this school year. On Saturday the hymn "Jo joutui armas aika…" is going to be sung in every school. This brings tears to many people’s eyes especially to those who finish college and gets their white cap. Not to talk about their parents who realize their students are on the corner to be adults and are now trying to find their own professional path in life.

    To tell the truth, I’m not that interested in our school system. Your arguments in criticizing our system, hits the point as far as how it used to be when I went to school. We were encouraged to tell what we know and not that much to what we think. The only lesson we were supposed to discuss was philosophy/religion (as far as I remember).

    To get an idea if anything has changed since then, I asked our teenager if they are encouraged to discuss at lessons. He said that happens only at health education. So what can we say?

    I’m sure there are exceptions depending on school or depending on teacher.

    Those who go to college have their goal in passing the final examination which is quite demanding. I understand the pressure to succeed the exam is felt both in teachers and students. To find a further place in university or university of applied science depends (partly) on your grades. You have to show what you know in the exam but also what you think.

    In our culture abilities to discuss and bring up arguments have been not stressed, but I think times are changing slowly at schools, too. You see the cultural difference when you go to a restaurant in France and in Finland. In France you can see the social aspect of gathering together; people are talking loud and eating. Here you see people eating and maybe talking.

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  • This is rather interesting, my family and I have been considering a move to finland, that’s where my wife’s is from originally. We have two young boys, so education is important, i’ve been searching on google and found some great information. This helped.

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